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The Panel

George Alagiah (chair)
Lord Prescott former deputy prime minister
Rt Honourable John Gummer Lord Deben
David Lunts Homes and Communities Agency
Jim Ward Savills

Guest Speaker

Rt Honourable Eric Pickles Department for Communities and Local Government

The Localism Bill is rumbling its way through parliament. Can you dismantle planning regulation, give more power to local communities and still spur economic growth to reduce the deficit? Surely, developers of even the most forward-thinking housing schemes will fall foul of 鈥渘imbyism鈥� from well-marshalled local dissenters?

Such questions formed the backbone of the inaugural Alan Cherry Debate, hosted by 好色先生TV magazine and Countryside Properties and held in memory of the late Countryside founder Alan Cherry.

The debate was introduced by 好色先生TV brand director Tom Broughton and chaired by the BBC鈥檚 George Alagiah. The high-quality panel was made up of former deputy prime minister Lord Prescott; John Gummer, Lord Deben; David Lunts, executive director of the Homes and Communities Agency; Jim Ward, director, residential research at Savills.

鈥淭he provision of affordable housing will provide the biggest test yet to David Cameron鈥檚 government,鈥� said Alagiah. 鈥淗ow do you resolve the tensions between the needs of society at large and what local people want or don鈥檛 want?鈥� Estimates suggest a quarter of a million new homes are required a year, a third of these need to be in the social sector. Clearly, with people living longer, being more active and often living alone, the drivers for demand are even more rigorous than ever.

Localism is about accepting responsibility

Eric Pickles

So how will the fundamental tensions between thegovernment鈥檚 growth agenda and localism play out 鈥淟ocalism shifts some of the power to communities but growth and renewal can be compatible provided schemes are thought through in terms of community need and input,鈥� said Lunts. 鈥淚t will demand better tailored proposals and interventions.鈥�

Lord Prescott was worried about the government鈥檚 dismantling of the existing planning framework. 鈥淚 am concerned that the abolition of regional development agencies will undermine regional planning,鈥� said Prescott. 鈥淣imbyism will be a problem with localism and will undermine the growth agenda.鈥�

Whether localism or growth wins out is a question of political will, thought Jim Ward. 鈥淕iven the overarching objective is to clear the deficit, it needs growth to generate taxes. A third of growth in 2010 came from construction, so the government has to prioritise development over localism.鈥�

鈥淟ocalism is necessary because local people are demanding it,鈥� said John Gummer. 鈥淲e can鈥檛 go with what we had before because people are not prepared any longer to allow their communities to be dictated by someone from the government or an architect that says it鈥檚 a good idea. They won鈥檛 have it.鈥�

Gummer argued for a new approach. 鈥淲e鈥檝e never met the number of homes that we all need. There is a new selection of suggestions as to what we might do, and I think we have to see if we can make those work and find a new answer.鈥�

Given the state of the economy, what effect will new financing arrangements have on affordable housing? 鈥淭here will be 75% less grants for affordable housing than in recent years,鈥� said Ward. 鈥淭he quid pro quo is rising rents. Even if housing targets are hit, there will be fewer affordable homes coming through.鈥�

How do you resolve the needs of society and what local people want

George Alagiah, chair

Lunts questioned whether affordable rent is capable of being a long-term sustainable model. 鈥淚t will provide a challenge to housing associations, but there are opportunities for new investment models. There鈥檚 been a lot of talk about getting institutions to take a longterm interest in funding.鈥�

Jeremy Lewis of Essex council raised the issue of the importance of quality. 鈥淭here is a place for standards in my view and the mayor is looking at design standards for new homes in London that will come in the next year or so,鈥� said Lunts. 鈥淚t鈥檚 very important in a time of austerity that we continue to build houses of a sufficient quality and standard that they are still going to be beautiful in 30 or 40 years鈥� time.鈥�

Nick Raynsford, MP for Greenwich and Woolwich, asked whether quality schemes would be possible under the current framework for new development.

鈥淵es,鈥� said Ward, 鈥渂ut only if local authorities are willing for rents to rise.鈥�

It was left to communities secretary Eric Pickles to sum up the government鈥檚 position. 鈥淲hile the Localism Bill passes power down to local communities, when it comes to consideration of something like the High Speed Rail Link, that鈥檚 a decision that would remain with the secretary of state and the Commons.鈥�

Referring to the proposed introduction into the planning system of a presumption in favour of sustainable development, Pickles said: 鈥淟ocalism is about accepting responsibility. Where a local plan fails to recognise that it has to provide adequate housing, telephone masts and infrastructure, then that plan is no defence against the presumption in favour of development.

There can be no suggestion of 鈥檔imbyism鈥� but equally the idea a national body can dictate where houses go in your community is something that we seek to avoid.鈥�

Developers are now awaiting the criteria under which the validity of those plans are judged, expected in the National Planning Framework, to be published shortly.

A debate on such contemporary issues proved a fitting tribute to Alan Cherry. Indeed, housing and planning regulation may prove to be the prism through which the government鈥檚 whole localism agenda is judged.

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