Hilary Benn, the old-fashioned, decent, eminently trustworthy minister for climate change, seems genuinely engaged in the green struggle. But Thomas Lane wonders if that will really be enough to meet the government鈥檚 carbon reduction targets.
If politicians promise much and deliver little, environment secretary Hilary Benn is not your typical politician. On the day of our interview he was an hour late, although this may be understandable given his responsibilities at the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra). He is all apologies as he dashes into his palatial, wainscotted office where our photographer is waiting.
Benn鈥檚 delight with his manual wind-on film camera reveals an old fashioned side to his character. 鈥淚鈥檓 a whirling capstan man myself,鈥 he says of recording equipment. 鈥淚 like to see some evidence of physical movement.鈥
But 10 minutes into the interview he suddenly throws up his hands exclaiming: 鈥淚鈥檝e got to go and vote!鈥 and rushes out of the room, calling back that we will continue the interview afterwards.
His aide doesn鈥檛 see it quite like that, saying our time is up and we will have to finish the interview by way of cold, dead email exchanges.
Well, that seemed to be that. But out in the street I bump into Benn coming back from the vote. With yet more profuse apologies he promises to continue the interview over the phone. But will he call? We all know what a politician鈥檚 promise means. But he does seem a thoroughly decent bloke, and I get the feeling he鈥檒l keep his word come hell or high water (something he鈥檚 seen more than his fair share of during his short tenure as environment secretary). He seems to bask, too, in the good-guy glow emanating from elder-statesman father Tony. And he didn鈥檛 come out too badly on the rectitude front when Peter Hain, his opponent in the deputy leadership contest last year, got nailed for not declaring more than 拢100,000 in campaign contribution. Anyway, he does call, and we resume the interview.
Benn has spent much of his eight months as environment secretary working to deliver the UK鈥檚 carbon emission reduction targets. Indeed he describes himself as the minister for climate change. Defra works with other departments on policies that tackle the issue 鈥 for example it worked with the communities department and local government on the Code for Sustainable Homes.
Benn鈥檚 mantra is that climate change is everyone鈥檚 problem. 鈥淭he task here is not just about the government saying 鈥榟ey folks, don鈥檛 worry, leave it to us, we鈥檙e going to do it all for you鈥. That isn鈥檛 going to work,鈥 he says. 鈥淲e are moving into the phase where all the bits of government, all the parts of society, all the bits of business, those responsible for the built environment, each of us as individuals, recognise that this is something for us and not just for somebody else.鈥
But Benn hasn鈥檛 had much time to prove himself on climate change. The minute he stepped over the threshold of Defra, he was confronted by a summer of floods followed by an autumn of foot-and-mouth outbreaks.
Paul King, chief executive of the UK Green 好色先生TV Council (UKGBC), who has worked with Benn, says he believes the minister鈥檚 concern over global warming is genuine, and praises Benn鈥檚 role in securing agreement on the roadmap to a new international agreement on climate change at Bali last year.
鈥淓arly indications are good and he has a good reputation from his previous job,鈥 says King. Benn was secretary for state for international development for four years before becoming environment secretary. King adds that Benn recognises the importance of one of the hardest nuts to crack 鈥 the contribution of the existing building stock to carbon emissions.
The guidance from government could not be clearer. The role of the Environment Agency could not be clearer. Planning authorities have to take responsibility for giving permission to build on floodplains or not
It is on this issue that Benn made his first move, in the form of the Green Homes Service. This will visit people in their homes and advise on energy efficiency, green travel options and waste reduction. It will be run by the Energy Saving Trust and is basically its current offering with knobs on.
He recognises that advice alone won鈥檛 crack the problem and sees the new service as a first step. 鈥淚 think the difficulty is that only the most hardy and committed will go out and source photovoltaic cells, wind turbines or whatever,鈥 he says. 鈥淲e鈥檝e got to make it easier for people. I think the next stage is to create a market in which folk will come and knock on your door and say: this is the work that can be done, we can organise it, we put the money upfront and this is the way you will pay it back over time. It could be through an energy bill, or through a mortgage if you have the work done when you move house.鈥
A few energy-saving lightbulbs and some draughtproofing are all very well, but what about the bigger picture? Benn takes this opportunity to mention all the other things the government is doing on the environmental front. He trumpets a whole range of initiatives: phasing out energy-hungry lightbulbs in advance of Europe, landfill tax, site waste management plans.
He sees the European carbon trading scheme as the key market-driven mechanism to tackle climate change and is pleased that Defra has come up with the carbon reduction commitment, which is intended to encourage companies outside the scope of the EU scheme to cut emissions. He recognises the UK is lagging behind other countries in Europe when it comes to investment in renewable energy, but points to the just-launched feasibility study into the Severn Barrage and the London Array, which will be one of the world鈥檚 largest offshore wind farms when it is completed in 2010.
The other big issue in Benn鈥檚 in-tray is flooding. Won鈥檛 the problem get worse if we keep building on floodplains? He is adamant that Defra has done enough to tackle this. Local authorities have the tools in the form of the new PPS25 to determine where developments should go and they are compelled to talk to the Environment Agency about this, too.
鈥淭he guidance from government could not be clearer. The role we have given the Environment Agency could not be clearer,鈥 he insists. 鈥淧lanning authorities have to take responsibility for decisions to give planning permission or not.鈥
So what is Benn doing to tackle flooding in existing properties? Well, he鈥檚 raising spending on flood defences from 拢600m to 拢800m a year by 2010. He also accepts the need for a more joined up approach to water course management, drainage and runoff. And he says the government is consulting on whether the Environment Agency should be given overall responsibility for implementing surface water drainage plans as well as looking after rivers.
He wants stronger measures to get people to implement sustainable drainage systems. Last week Defra launched a consultation into whether householders should need planning permission to pave over their gardens unless they use permeable materials.
Benn is clearly getting to grips with the job and is seizing it with enthusiasm, but can he deliver on the government鈥檚 carbon reduction targets? That may be one promise he can鈥檛 keep.
Curriculum vitae
- 1953 Born to Caroline and Tony Benn
- 1964 Educated at Holland Park Comprehensive
- 1974 Graduated from Sussex University with degree in Russian and European Studies
- 1979 Elected to Ealing council
- 1986 Deputy leader of Ealing council
- 1999 Elected Labour MP for Leeds Central
- 2003 Minister of state for international development
- 2003 Secretary of state for international development
- 2007 Secretary of state for environment, food and rural affairs
The 10-second interview
What green incentive is at the top of your list?
Go onto the carbon calculator at www.direct.gov.uk. It is an incentive because it makes you think about how you use things.
What building or development have you seen recently that impressed you?
The refurbishment of two DEFRA offices in York. I visited about three weeks ago and they have been rated Excellent under the BREEAM standard. DEFRA has just won an award for its approach because it has really thought long and hard about reducing energy usage.
Your father had a very distinctive brand of politics. Can you sum up in one line what yours is?
Errr 鈥 politics changes things and practical progress is the way to do it.
What is your top green accessory?
I was given a very nice string shopping bag for Christmas that I use instead of plastic bags.
Postscript
Hilary Benn is a plenary speaker at this year's Think08 event, which take place on 7 and 8 May. For more information go to the
This article originally appeared in 好色先生TV dated 22/02/08 under the title "The Whirling Capstan Man"
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