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鈥淚 think celebrities given community service should be made to clean construction site toilets,鈥� says Suzannah, who has been flicking through a newspaper account of Boy George鈥檚 litter-picking exploits on the streets of New York.

鈥淥urs are already very clean, thank you,鈥� Graham cuts in.

鈥淚 doubt even Boy George could help.鈥�

Suzannah is undeterred, however. In fact, she is enjoying a vivid mental image of the drafting of an army of reluctant toilet cleansers, a subject that is surprisingly emotional for her 鈥� her voice has by now reached to the pitch of a counter tenor:

鈥淚n fact, people who drop litter could be punished in the same way. It鈥檚 horrible. Squirrels eat rubber bands and when mice eat chewing gum, it knots around their insides.鈥�

鈥淲e鈥檙e not going to sit here and talk about squirrels,鈥� Graham interrupts. 鈥淲hat will my workers think of me? They鈥檙e tough pilers, I don鈥檛 want to be seen discussing furry animals.鈥�

Another reason Graham does not want to get into zoology is closer to home. 鈥淚鈥檝e got three teenagers and there are far too many animal noises in my house.鈥� Suzannah, as a new mother, has all this to come, but the subject of children leads her on to the issue of maternity leave.

鈥淚f you鈥檙e a woman working as a site , you couldn鈥檛 be climbing scaffold while you were pregnant. I bet the thought of long maternity leave periods still puts some employers off hiring women.鈥�

鈥淚t鈥檚 an issue for fathers now too,鈥� says Simon, 鈥淎nd with paternity leave, it will be an issue in construction, particularly for small businesses.鈥� But then the businessman gives way to the concerned parent. 鈥淚 don鈥檛 mind admitting I should have done more with my own children,鈥� he says.

鈥淚 don鈥檛 help out enough.鈥�

鈥淲e鈥檙e far more conscious of a work鈥搇ife balance now; things are starting to change,鈥� adds Suzannah.

鈥淒on鈥檛 talk to Graham about balance,鈥� Simon warns. 鈥淗e fell off his motorbike the other day. Look at his finger. It鈥檚 freakish.鈥�

Everyone gasps in horror at Graham鈥檚 finger, which is indeed worryingly misshapen. Suzannah is particularly affected and switches back to the obstacles to combining a career in construction with parenthood.

鈥淚f you鈥檙e lucky, you get the support of your colleagues. But the industry is so poor on planning 鈥� if you鈥檙e a site worker you鈥檙e expected to be there pouring concrete in the dark. Our industry just isn鈥檛 as flexible as it should be. How many parents, who have to drive 60 miles to get to work at 7am, ever have breakfast with their kids?鈥�