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It鈥檚 fortunate that vice-admiral Tim Laurence likes a challenge. Just over a year into his role as chief executive of Defence Estates he has already undergone a Public Accounts Committee investigation and faces an uphill struggle to hit the targets he has set for an estate that is still suffering from a chronic lack of funding.

Laurence is under no illusion about how tough the road ahead is. 鈥淭he Ministry of Defence owns or manages about 1% of the UK鈥檚 entire land mass,鈥� he says. 鈥淭hat鈥檚 a terrific responsibility. But I have always thrived on making difficult decisions. That is probably why I enjoy this job,鈥� he pauses for a second, smiles and raises his eyebrows, 鈥渂ecause, well, it certainly is a challenge.鈥�

Laurence is the kind of chap who, if he were sitting next to you at a dinner party, you鈥檇 think you had got a pretty good deal. Pleasant but not dull, he is charming not suave, bright not arrogant.

鈥淲elcome,鈥� he smiles, all 6鈥�4鈥� of him as he gestures around the meeting room it has taken 15 minutes to get to through MoD鈥檚 security in Whitehall. 鈥淲elcome to this wonderful ministerial office which I, unfortunately, cannot claim as my own. I operate out of one far less pleasant most of the time.鈥� The comment sounds odd coming from a man who is married to Princess Anne and lives in Buckingham Palace. But then he has always made it clear that vice admiral Tim Laurence the chief executive and Tim Laurence the royal are two separate people. The latter persona, we have firmly been told, is not in attendance during this interview.

Needless to say, personal questions are a definite no-no. But when it comes to his job heading the agency responsible for all MoD land in the UK and overseas, there is no holding him back. He explains how he is tackling the agency鈥檚 problems, how he plans to take its 拢1bn programme forward, and why he swears it is easier to run a team on a ship out on the high seas than in an office.

Laurence joined the Royal Navy in the seventies and had a successful seagoing career for the next 24 years. He climbed the ladder from navigating officer to commander and had four warship commands. He has also served at the MoD鈥檚 head office, most recently as director of navy resources and programmes until 2004 and then as assistant chief of defence staff (resources and plans) until 2007. On 30 April, 2007 he was promoted to vice admiral and took on the role as Defence Estates chief executive the following day, relieving vice admiral Peter Dunt.

But with the role came a number of problems, including criticism over inadequate servicemen鈥檚 housing, allegations of poor management, a lack of funding and a shortage of building and construction staff.

We have inherited an estate both in the uk and overseas that has suffered from severe underinvestment

Tim Laurence

Laurence makes no attempt to put a positive spin on the agency鈥檚 bad press. Nor does he pretend that there is an overnight solution. 鈥淭he most obvious challenge is that we have inherited an estate both in the UK and overseas that has suffered from severe underinvestment,鈥� he says. 鈥淲e鈥檙e now working on improving and recovering from that former position. Obviously we would all like that to happen more quickly, but there is only so much one can do each year.鈥�

The problems were really rammed home by parliament鈥檚 PAC during hearings in May last year and a report that followed in November. It said there were significant gaps in the agency鈥檚 understanding of the cost of its estate and that it had no way of knowing where funding was needed most, that 拢13.5m of maintenance work was deferred in 2006/07 owing to cuts and that more than 40% of forces鈥� accommodation was below standard.

Laurence鈥檚 thoughts on the committee鈥檚 report are mixed: 鈥淭he PAC made some sensible recommendations, but we felt that their criticism in some areas was a little OTT.鈥� When pressed, he highlights the comment that almost half of family accommodation is substandard. 鈥淥ut of four levels we have just under 60% of these units at the highest standard, another 35% at the second highest level. So that鈥檚 something like 95% of our housing in the top two tiers. Yes, there are some units at level three and a tiny number at level four. But all of them, apart from a handful of houses, meet the decent homes standard. Therefore I think the PAC was little bit glib implying that the 40% of housing which is not at the very highest standard is substandard.鈥�

But he does admit that the quality of some servicemen鈥檚 housing is not up to scratch, particularly accommodation for single people, which is now a top priority and will be allocated a large chunk of the group鈥檚 budget 鈥� 拢800m a year. And then there is Project Slam, a 10-year programme launched in 2001 to raise the standard of single housing, which has attracted 拢1bn of investment.

鈥淣ot all housing in the UK or overseas for service personnel is as good as I鈥檇 like,鈥� he says. 鈥淪ome is a bit out of date and the kitchens and bathrooms need updating. Having said that, a lot is modern and built to a high standard. We鈥檙e investing significant sums 鈥� around 拢300m a year 鈥� in new build and upgrading.鈥� The MoD hope to deliver 6,500 units for single personnel in 2008/09 and 60,000 by 2013.

Just how the shortfall has become so significant is a question Laurence does not shy away from. 鈥淲e made a major strategic decision about 10 years ago that the standard for single people should be a single room with en-suite shower and toilet facilities,鈥� he says. 鈥淥vernight we made about 150,000 bed spaces out of date because they didn鈥檛 meet that modern standard. Since then we have been trying to meet those standards.鈥�

Another problem for Defence Estates has been the lack of internal staff in contracting, architectural and surveying roles. This problem was highlighted in November last year in a PAC report that said the MoD only employs 57% of the QSs it needs. Laurence said at the time: 鈥淚t is difficult to get these people. They are very much in demand.鈥� Today he says: 鈥淲e never have as many internal people as we would like. We do sometimes use external professionals but we really try not to as we like to keep things in-house 鈥� we know we have good expertise and it is more cost-effective. The main issue is that I cannot pay as much as the private sector. I will not make millionaires out of my people. But they can enjoy the tremendous variety and good training schemes. We have a graduate training scheme now too 鈥� I think we offer a good in road into the industry.鈥�

On a warship, if the captain says turn right, generally speaking, everyone has to turn right. It gets very wet if they don鈥檛.

Defence Estates鈥� portfolio is worth 拢20bn. In the pipeline there are plans to develop a 193ha base in north London. The project is being carried out using a new contract called Prime Plus 鈥� something Laurence says has a lot of applicability across the entire public sector (see box below).

Other schemes include Project Aquatrine, a 25-year PPP/PFI MoD-wide water and wastewater project, regional prime contracting, and a number of PFI contracts operating around the estate. Five are regional and there are two others, one to maintain housing in England and Wales, and one to manage rural training estates.

But the group鈥檚 future contracting plans remain unsure. As Laurence explains, they are reviewing all systems across the board. 鈥淲e are assessing whether we鈥檙e getting value for money and what the contracts will be from 2010 to 2013 onwards. We鈥檝e got a team working on this and they are getting a feel for other possibilities including using framework contracting or going back to standalone contracts 鈥� we wouldn鈥檛 rule those out.鈥�

Laurence鈥檚 rule to keep the interview focused on his role in Defence Estates is understandable, but he seems glad to talk about his earlier career commanding ships and as he does so he relaxes.

鈥淚 loved commanding ships. I really loved it. And it was a great deal easier running a team on a warship I can tell you. When you have 300 people in a metal box, if the captain says turn right, generally speaking, everyone has to turn right. It gets very wet if they don鈥檛.

鈥淲ith Defence Estates, people are scattered throughout the UK from Cape Wrath to Land鈥檚 End and then across a number of bases abroad so it becomes much more difficult to convey the messages. I try to communicate in various ways 鈥� websites, magazines, journals and travelling round to meet people. I try to spend two days each week going to sites to meet customers and staff.

鈥淏ut I really did enjoy being at sea. I was working with terrific people, travelling round the world. It was just a great experience.鈥�

He leans back in his chair and falls silent. You can鈥檛 help but wonder how much this man misses life on the high seas. But the mood of nostalgia lingers only a split second before Laurence becomes the epitome of efficient professionalism once more.