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The 好色先生TV the Future Commission, 好色先生TV鈥檚 ambitious 12-month project to improve the built environment, has already thrown up quite a few ideas and solutions to boost the industry. One of the most eye-catching came in a debate in April among our panel of high-profile commissioners.

Several members of the panel talked passionately about the possibility of introducing an appointment at government level to advise on construction issues.

Paul Morrell, an industry veteran who spent nearly four decades at Davis Langdon, and has recently written a report for the government on construction products testing, can provide a unique take on this. He was one of only two people to hold the cross-departmental role of chief construction adviser to the government from 2009 to 2012 (for an extra point, the other was Peter Hansford, president of the Institution of Civil Engineers).

So in our quest for solutions, would a return of this role help boost the industry?

I ask Morrell (pictured), in our chat via Teams, whether having a 鈥渧oice of construction鈥� back in the corridors of power would be a good idea, based on his experience.

鈥淭hat wasn鈥檛 how I saw the job,鈥� Morrell interjects. 鈥淚 was always very clear that the minute I became a lobbyist, the value of the job was finished. Most propositions made to government are lobbying and ministers are completely immune to it.鈥�

One of the most depressing aspects of the job, he says, was seeing how many people used a moment with a minister to pursue a narrow interest. 鈥淵our conversation should be, 鈥業 could provide a better service to citizens, minister, if you could do this. Something for something. As opposed to, 鈥榗ould you make seatbelts compulsory because I manufacture seatbelts鈥�.

Government must be a better client, how many times would I say to ministers, if you want a better answer you鈥檝e got to start by asking a more intelligent question than how much does it cost?鈥�

This distinction between lobbyists and those on the inside was made recently by Mark Wild, chief executive of SGN, at a 好色先生TV the Future Commission meeting. Wild suggested currently there are no enduring voices that can advise the government independently.

Instead of being a mere lobbyist, then, Morrell saw much of his role as working to improve the government as a client. 鈥淚t was more about being an effective voice for a more productive industry.鈥�

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He says he would say 鈥渢o a minister who pays attention, 鈥�we could do this or do that and move the dial on cash and carbon, and use government鈥檚 buying power to our benefit鈥�.

鈥淏ut I would say the government must be a better client. How many times would I say to ministers, 鈥榠f you want a better answer, you鈥檝e got to start by asking a more intelligent question than how much does it cost?鈥� 鈥� he says.

As an example of the ways government leveraged its purchasing power in his time as adviser, Morrell gives the example of BIM: 鈥淲e are the industry鈥檚 biggest client. So, with BIM for example, it was possible because we could say to firms, not merely that they need to digitise, but that if they don鈥檛 do it in six to 10 years, they are not going to be an effective supplier for us,鈥� he says.

鈥淚t was quite an effective instrument for reform.鈥�

Morrell believes there is value in somebody trusted to speak inside government who understands how construction works. Unlike ministers, the chief construction adviser in his time in the role was cross-departmental, which brought benefits.

鈥淚 remember one contractor saying to me, 鈥榳e need a construction minister 鈥� they will have more power than you鈥�.

鈥淎nd I remember saying, 鈥榳here would they sit? Wherever they sit, they don鈥檛 sit anywhere else.

鈥滻f they sit inside the Treasury, they won鈥檛 be listened to by departments. If they sit in departments, they won鈥檛 be listened to by the Treasury.鈥� At some point, he adds, the Cabinet Office and Treasury inevitably fall out.

So, supposing this government 鈥� or a future government 鈥� decides to resurrect the role of chief construction adviser. How easy would it be to find the right person and what type of person would suit the role?

Finding the right person would be tricky, Morrell suggests. 鈥淚t would be very hard to find somebody who is at the right stage of their career and has sufficient experience of how the industry works, but does not any longer have a vested interest.鈥�

He says he was able to give up financial conflicts of interest before starting the role, but not everybody would be able to do that so easily.

Morrell, then, sees great value in a voice in Whitehall who can help to improve the government as a client, and use the state鈥檚 purchasing power to drive positive outcomes. This will be an area that the commission will look at more closely in the coming weeks and months.