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鈥淒ar has the strongest balance sheet in the world, so there鈥檚 no limit. If we go and find opportunities and bring them to them, they will listen 鈥� whether its [acquiring] a 拢60m business or a 拢600m business,鈥� says Alan Manuel.

The brand spanking new London offices for the Dar Group, in which 好色先生TV meets the boss of its consultancy business Currie & Brown, certainly give the impression of a company not short of cash. The light and airy nine-storey 鈥渟mart鈥� building, designed by Perkins & Will (another Dar company), with its atrium and roof gardens and views towards St Pauls, is certainly one of the more impressive venues for a 好色先生TV interview.

While the smart building, which Manuel jokes is 鈥渢oo smart鈥� sometimes for him, is the very definition of modernity, there is something almost old-school about Manuel, who apologises straight off the bat for conducting the interview without his jacket on. 鈥淭hat鈥檚 unprofessional of me,鈥� he says. He may say that but Manuel, in his tartan waistcoat and blue shirt, looks every inch the smart executive.

This mixture of the traditional and the modern perhaps befits Currie & Brown, a consultancy formed in Victorian times which is seeking to expand in 鈥渕odern鈥� markets including data centres and life sciences, more of which later.

We kick off our chat by talking about how Manuel is adjusting to his new chief executive role, after being promoted from chief operating officer in January of last year.

鈥淚鈥檝e been involved in various bits in our global business around the UK and European businesses for six years, but still the step up to running a global business is, well, interesting,鈥� the Glaswegian chuckles.

Manuel initially oversaw the integration of Sweett Group, the retail and mixed-use sector construction consultant, into Currie & Brown seven years ago, before heading up the firm鈥檚 拢60m-turnover UK and European businesses. He is now boss of the whole global operation, with its 拢204尘 turnover and 2,500 staff, delivering cost management, project and programme management and a suite of advisory services.

So, what鈥檚 his brief as chief executive?

Manuel stresses that Dar Group gives its businesses, including Currie & Brown 鈥渢otal independence鈥� in its decision making.

Targeted turnover growth

鈥淚t was a case of me coming up with a strategy that they were happy to appoint me on, and then letting us get on and do it. Dar being Lebanese, they always say they take a long-term approach to life, and they are very very supportive. Our role is to grow the business across the globe, to make it a predominant brand 100 or 150 years from now,鈥� says Manuel, taking the long-term approach to extremes.

So what form does this growth take?

鈥淭here鈥檚 a lot of people rushing to be the biggest. I鈥檓 not bothered about that 鈥� there is a vanity about wanting to be the biggest. We want to be the best and we are constantly making sure we are adding value to every project we are working on,鈥� he says. 

Manuel is undoubtedly sincere about his aims for the organisation but there is a strong focus on growth also. He says Currie & Brown is looking to grow its global business鈥� turnover to 拢300m by 2027 through organic expansion of the operation.

So which areas does he see growing? He sees growth spread throughout, but the business鈥檚 four core market areas are health, high tech including data centres and EV battery production facilities, office refurbishments for large financial institutions and life sciences.

He says he wants to continue to grow in the UK and mainland Europe but sees huge potential across the Atlantic. 鈥淥ur North American and Latin American businesses have caught hold in the last five years and they are growth areas for us,鈥� he says.

Currie & Brown鈥檚 north American business has grown from 60 or 70 people to 280 in just a few years but is 鈥渟till 2,000 people too short鈥�, meaning it has to turn opportunities down currently.

Part of the strategy is doing more with global clients in Currie & Brown鈥檚 core areas. 鈥淥ur client list is fantastic, and we just want to widen where we deliver for them across the globe.鈥�

Mergers and acquisitions

While Manuel believes 拢300m turnover through organic growth is do-able, he is also looking at acquisitions, with north America, again, and Europe the obvious places of interest. So what does a good acquisition opportunity look like for Currie & Brown?

Manuel says that, in his view, it is not worth acquiring a business with less than 150 people as taking over a small business is as tricky as a large one and the scale is not there. He does point to exceptions, such as a deal last year to acquire German firm ALBA Bau Projekt Management GmbH, which only has around 70 employees but allowed Currie & Brown to break into that German market.

He stresses there are lots of opportunities for deals, but Currie & Brown is selective again about only signing contracts where they can add value. 鈥淲e have a really strict 鈥榞o, no-go鈥� process, which is rigorously enforced. We probably say no to 40% of the bids that come across the desk but we have a fantastic win rate because we only pick bids we think we can make a difference and add value on.鈥�

鈥淵ou can kick me under the table every time I say 鈥榓dd value鈥�,鈥� he laughs.

But what does adding value actually consist of?

On the project management side it is about being able to 鈥渓ook ahead to the issues that might arise, but getting ahead of them so they don鈥檛 become an issue鈥� and turn into problems. On the cost consultancy side he says it鈥檚 not just stripping out cost upfront but also adding value by providing skills and expertise in areas such as zero carbon and carbon usage.

 If you look at the history of the profession, in the UK in particular, it has always been full of acquisitions

Consultancy mergers in construction are currently a hot topic following Alinea鈥檚 surprise decision to join Turner & Townsend this year.  Does Manuel see a flood of opportunities for further acquisitions as smaller firms seek to 鈥渄o an Alinea鈥�?

鈥淚 think, if you look at the history of the profession, in the UK in particular, it has always been full of acquisitions. And what happens typically is a business will buy another business and then two or three people split off from that and set up their their own business. Then, in four years鈥� time, they will be bought or they will buy somebody else.鈥�

He says much acquisition activity is driven 鈥渂y global engineering businesses who want to do everything for their clients鈥�. He stresses however that Currie & Brown, while being owned by a company with 18,000 employees, does operate independently with no pressure to use the services of its sister organisations.

Price vs quality and the UK market

So, with his new-found experience of running a global business, how does Manuel see the UK market compared with other global markets? He says the UK market remains a good place to do business but inflation in recent months, driven in part by last year鈥檚 disastrous mini-Budget, has deterred some investment in the commercial sector especially.

鈥淥nce we get through this year and people can see a more normal level of inflation and tender price inflation, the commercial clients will be more willing鈥� The last thing they want to do is start up projects only to find that costs have gone up 15% 鈥� and then there goes the margin,鈥� he says.

And that brings us on to the perennial problem in the industry about the race to the bottom on price.

鈥淲e need to get together and have proper grown-up conversations about the value of the consultancy market. There will be no problem competing on quality, none whatsoever.

鈥淏ut none of us like competing on price, because necessarily something has to give. You can鈥檛 take 拢100 and go and buy a Rolls-Royce.

鈥淚 don鈥檛 think procurement departments understand that, because most of them aren鈥檛 specialists in procuring construction鈥� If you want the best service, you need to balance the quality of service with the price you pay.鈥�

UK鈥檚 flawed infrastructure policy

While price has long been a debating point in construction, not least through the 好色先生TV the Future Commission, another area of concern for Manuel concerns infrastructure. As a key player in the health market who has been involved in work on new hospitals, he has views on what has gone wrong with the 鈥渟talled鈥� New Hospital Programme (NHP), which is expected to deliver 40 new hospitals by 2030.

Speaking before last month鈥檚 government announcement of a new funding package for NHP, Manuel says there is definitely a need for a more phased, 鈥減rogramme鈥� approach to hospital building. 鈥淲e haven鈥檛 got the capacity to build all those hospitals at once. We鈥檙e not sure how to procure it properly, it needs to be phased,鈥� he says.

He thinks there is a bigger issue around infrastructure policy in the UK which needs to be 鈥渂etter organised鈥�.

He adds: 鈥淲e tend to get a flood of projects. A period of uncertainty, than another flood of projects. It really does need to be taken away from the politicians somehow, so we can have a planned infrastructure programme over the next 20 years.鈥�

And, then, after about an hour or so, our time with the smart-dressing, thoughtful sounding Scot comes to an end. It is clear that construction is in his blood. His father was a clerk of works and he became a quantity surveyor at the age of 18, before 鈥渕orphing鈥� into project managing.

鈥淎 client of mine said I was a surveyor with an opinion, so that must mean I鈥檓 a project manager,鈥� Manuel laughs. And he clearly has some projects firmly in his sights. 

As Manuel nudges Currie & Brown鈥檚 turnover up to 拢300m in the next few years, do not be surprised if the 147-year-old firm expands rapidly organically, but also through acquisitions on both sides of the Atlantic.