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Sir John Harman, former chairman of the Environment Agency and author of a pamphlet entitled The Green Crunch, has a sneaking sympathy for arguments of that notorious green-basher, Top Gear presenter Jeremy Clarkson.

He worries that the hair shirt and finger-wagging approach of some elements of the green movement alienates the public. He does, however, warn that we will never see cheap fuel again. 鈥淭hat era鈥檚 over, and we will have to change our country鈥檚 energy policy to move forward, if only out of our own economic interest.鈥�

Harman describes his pamphlet, published recently by the Fabian Society, as a collection of arguments he has been making for a while. As his tenure at the EA drew to an end last year, he 鈥渇inally had the time to write them all down鈥�.

鈥淚f we can make these important changes now we will put ourselves in a far more competitive position. The countries who adapt first will be the real economic winners in all of this,鈥� he says.

An hour or so earlier, clad in a long trenchcoat and crisp grey suit, the Labour peer strode into the palatial waiting area at One Queen Anne鈥檚 Gate conference centre in Westminster with a member of the Department of Energy and Climate Change. 鈥淚 read your pamphlet, and enjoyed it immensely,鈥� said the DECC representative. 鈥淏ut did you agree with it?鈥� Harman swiftly retorted.

In The Green Crunch, he draws comparisons with the politics of a century ago, when the laissez-faire policies of government fell short of society鈥檚 need for change, leading to the emergence of the Labour movement. Could the green movement be the modern equivalent?

鈥淚t seems obvious to me,鈥� says Harman, 鈥渢hat there is an awakening awareness of the predicament the developed world is in. We can鈥檛 progress the way we have been. We don鈥檛 know the answer but we know what the problem is. The real question is, do we possess the collective intelligence to meet the collective challenge ahead?鈥�

Harman served in local government for almost 30 years. When the Local Government Association was formed in 1997, he became deputy leader of the Labour Group and chair of the LGA Urban Commission. He was an adviser to the UK delegation to the Earth Summit in 1992 and was knighted in 1997 for services to local government and the environment. He became chairman of the Environment Agency in 2000.

Harman recently accepted as position as a board member for the National House-好色先生TV Council. Although he concedes he is not a expert in the built environment, as such a big determinant of the UK鈥檚 environmental performance it chimes with his interests, he says.

鈥淚鈥檓 there to see if we can advance the practical proposition of a low carbon built environment. Ten years ago the idea of a UK Green 好色先生TV Council would have been ridiculous. 好色先生TV carbon matters greatly, and there are a whole range of problems. The focus is standards for new properties right now, that makes sense to deal with first. It鈥檚 easier to design in low carbon technology than retrofit.鈥�

Harman is critical of the government鈥檚 announcement of its aim to make all UK homes zero carbon by 2016 without an official definition of zero carbon.

鈥淭hey didn鈥檛 have to say all homes must be zero carbon,鈥� he says. 鈥淭hey could have just said low carbon. I think it鈥檚 an example of the government over-dramatising, wanting to say something arresting.

鈥淓ven the issue of getting new homes to be zero or low carbon is a hugely difficult thing to do for all sorts of reasons.

鈥淚 think the time scale is very ambitious. We need to be sure of our technical response, that people will want to live in these homes. It鈥檚 one thing to say it but making it work will be quite another. There are a whole host of practical issues to be dealt with.鈥�

You can鈥檛 just lecture people. There鈥檚 nothing wrong with driving cars. The real issue is fossil fuels. If you could drive cars Clarkson likes on batteries, we might meet people halfway

Harman believes the public is ready for tough choices and solid leadership from politicians. He recalls an incident when he was going door to door as a councillor in the 1980s. 鈥淚 was talking to this old dear about insulating her house. She asked me 鈥榠s it important?鈥� I said yes, and she gruffly replied 鈥榃ell, why don鈥檛 you do something about it then?鈥�

鈥淧oliticians are too anxious sometimes, they need to just get on with it and the electorate will respond to that positively. We can鈥檛 be apologists here, but at the same time it鈥檚 not about puritanism.

鈥淚 think that鈥檚 where the green movement sometimes takes it too far and gets up people鈥檚 noses.鈥�

The Clarkson factor

So we come to the Clarkson factor. In his pamphlet, Harman points out that while the government chief scientist may have the ear of the decision-makers, Jeremy Clarkson has the ear of the electorate.

鈥淚 believe a local paper in Huddersfield ran an article about my work under the headline 鈥楨x-councillor to take on Clarkson鈥�,鈥� he says. 鈥淚t did make me laugh.鈥�

In fact, he has some sympathy with Clarkson鈥檚 side of the argument. He believes the green lobby is on the wrong tack with its hair shirt approach, issuing edicts of denial and limitations to the public in the short term so that future generations will benefit.

Too puritanical

鈥淪ome of the green movement can be real puritans. This finger wagging is just not helping the argument. You can鈥檛 just lecture people,鈥� Harman says. 鈥淭here鈥檚 nothing wrong with driving cars. If you could drive the cars that Clarkson likes on batteries, then we might meet people halfway.

鈥淭he real issue is fossil fuels. It would make much more sense to quit moaning about the gas guzzlers and say we can do this in a different way.鈥�

Harman says one way to change people鈥檚 perceptions would be to avoid making a fetish out of denial and for politicians to communicate this to the electorate better.

鈥淚f you look at Obama鈥檚 approach, there was a message of limits in that inaugural speech, but there was also a fair bit of optimism. He鈥檚 striking the right chord with the people.鈥�

At the time of our interview Harman was poised for his first meeting with his new colleagues at the NHBC.

鈥淚 joined the NHBC on the understanding that I want the role of the council to develop in how we deal with the practicalities of squaring the larger policy issues of carbon reduction with what it will mean to contractors, housebuilders and, most importantly, to residents,鈥� he says. 鈥淚鈥檓 looking forward to the challenge. There are a lot of challenges to embrace in the near future.鈥�